Sunday, September 29, 2013

Who is Lee Co Environmental Review & Advisory Committee ? part2

Part 2 of Who is Lee Co Environmental Review & Advisory Committee ?
here is a little history on this committee ...
At the January 7th meeting of the Lee County Board of Commissioners, the Board created an Environmental Review & Advisory Committee (ERAC) that will be composed of 9
 (11 now) appointed members, each possessing technical skills and experience from the following areas - Agriculture, Biology/Animal Science, Ecology, Environmental Engineering, Environmental Health/Toxicology, Environmental Law, Forestry, Geology, Hydrology/Water Testing, Meteorology/Air Testing, Regulatory Planning & Enforcement (DENR or EPA experience), Soil Science/Soil Testing, and Waste Management. 
 The mission of the newly established board will be to review technical documentation and to advise the Board of  Commissioners on testing, monitoring, and regulatory matters affecting the environment of Lee County.

This was after Disbanding the EAB of Lee County  that was with the City council too ??? I believe they /Jim and his cronies , did this because of this letter written from the EAB the year before , which was showing Deep Concern about fracking ?

and this
Then this
"We can't let the city's unique concerns fall through the cracks," said Council member Rebecca Wyhof, who originally proposed that Sanford create an EAB.
After the Lee County Board of Commissioners voted to disband the joint Environmental Affairs Board in favor of a technical skill review committee earlier this year, Wyhof proposed that the city form its own board to review environmental tasks relevant to the municipality.

Okay to the list of WHO is the Lee Co ERAC , The other folks is in part one !
 the official list !

* O.F. "Russ" Patterson -- Hydrology/Water Testing
* Jeff Reid -- Biology
* Matthew Sakurada -- Waste Management
* David Silvey -- Environmental Health/Toxicology
* Dan Wood -- Engineering
Robert Garrett was selected as an alternative with hydrology and water testing has his area of expertise.

Russ Patterson, a geologist with Patterson Exploration Services of Sanford
Here is an article that shows him doing a field day for Mike Stone ,  Rob and Russ Knight and family friend Ray Covington.

Oh and make sure you look at the SLIDE SHOW: Natural gas exploration

I found so much on him last time I wrote on this topic I am just going to add the link here.

Jeff Reid : can't find any property He owns ?
Well it seems Reid and Patterson are old buddies in Sanford .
"We do have rocks and materials that produce, under the right conditions, hydrocarbons," state geologist Jeffrey Reid said. "How much is unknown."
Reid has compiled about 60 years worth of geological, seismic and drill data for an area known as the Triassic Basin, which includes Lee County. He plans to present the information to petroleum company scientists next month.
Russ Patterson of Patterson Exploration in Sanford, has photos of a 1974 Lee County drilling site hanging on his office wall. Tests confirm methane gas deposits and even oil are located thousands of feet below in rock formations.
"We have coal bed methane right here," Patterson said. "I think you should drill everywhere you can drill to get what you can get."

Matthew Sakurada seems to be a Busy man.
In Sanford , The Green Street project

           Managing Member of Cherry Tree Construction January 2012Present (1 year 9 months) Sanford, NC  . 
Manage small construction company using up to five employees and area subcontractors.

Vice President and General Manager  at Marcellus Power Solutions  Oct 2011Present (2 years) Paoli, PA and Sanford, NC   .    In charge of developing of several water treatment and cogeneration sites in PA, OH and NY.

“Our mission is to use the vast reserves of Marcellus gas to generate clean low cost power while eliminating the waste water created in the “fracking” of the gas wells.”
President of EmPower Resources, Inc. Sept 2011Present (2 years 1 month) Sanford, NC   
there is a bunch more here

David Silvey was a part of one of the last meeting of the old Lee Co Enviro Board the BOC just disbanded because they were Concerned about fracking !
Could not find much at all , not military , not Environmental Health or Toxicology ??
He made Man of the Year

Dan Wood - has a bio here
We owned and operated an environmental construction company for several years that specialized in Stream and Wetland restoration. I am a licensed General Contractor with a background in Construction Management and Inspection. I currently work for SEPI Engineering as the Erosion Control Inspector on the Fayetteville by-pass project. 

 According to James Madison /Jim Womack's alas name on his Blog left a comment saying...
"Dan Wood is an environmental engineer with kids in the school district, and is former military. He is running on a reform platform and has been openly critical of the BOE and Moss for their waste, particularly the laptop initative and the Rosetta Stone program."

Last one !
Robert Garrett from Broadway ,was selected as an alternative with hydrology and water testing .
I can't seem to find much on him either ? Other than he is on this New Committee too.

Well , I have spent all my free time for 2 days getting this info .
Please share it and if you live in Lee County NC . Try to get to a meeting soon.
Next ERAC meeting is on OCT 10th at 6pm.
I intend to go !

Again if you have any information that we can add to this ,please let me know ?

Saturday, September 28, 2013

Who is Lee Co Environmental Review & Advisory Committee part1

Who is Lee Co Environmental Review & Advisory Committee ?
well I heard Jim Womack has been showing up trying to bully these meetings too. I think it is time to find out who is Advising for Lee county people and Who are just there to make Jim happy?

The following were appointed to a full-board position along with their respective field of knowledge:
* William A. Long - Agriculture, Forestry
* Christopher Stan Cameron - Regulatory Planning and Enforcement
* Brian DeCiancia* - Environmental Engineering ... The Herald spelt it wrong should be DiCiancia
* Dereck Martin - Soil Science / Soil Testing
* Martin D. Matthews - Geology
* April Montgomery - Regulatory Planning and Enforcement/ Environmental Law
* Russ Patterson -- Hydrology/Water Testing
* Jeff Reid -- Biology
* Matthew Sakurada -- Waste Management
* David Silvey -- Environmental Health/Toxicology
* Dan Wood -- Engineering
Robert Garrett was selected as an alternative with hydrology and water testing has his area of expertise.

William Long
 Land Timber in Sanford, NC is a private company categorized underUnclassified. Our records show it was established in 2010 and incorporated in North Carolina. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $75,000 and employs a staff of approximately 2.
Owns land at Quail Ridge .

Christopher Stan Cameron
Cameron Testing Services, Inc in Sanford, NC is a private company categorized under Testing Services. Our records show it was established in 2008 and incorporated in North Carolina. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $72,000 and employs a staff of approximately 1.
Companies like Cameron Testing Services, Inc usually offer: Diagnostic Testing, Soil Testing, Water Testing, Load Testing and Regression Testing.
Cameron Testing Services, Inc. Chris Cameron, 219 S. Steele Street, Sanford, NC, 27330-, 919-208-4240, 919-776-5724,

I wonder if he knows these folks , cameron family llc , nc ,owns several acres Leased to Frack and more beside it on "King Farm RD! They also own 2 lots beside the RR tracks on Globe St ? hmm  

click to see Larger
Brian DiCiancia  , I had a time finding the map for his place , for some odd reason his last name had a . after it ??? 
Any way check out his place he has an acre or so next to all the Leased to frack land ! Scary !

LOL , check out the names of "Scenic Dr" & "waterfall Lane " in the middle of the leased zones !
I have met Brian a time or 2 and find him very informed .
 He has also visited PA where they are fracking , to see it first hand .
No not like those promo tours our MEC and Gov Perdue went on . He wanted to see the real thing.
IMO , I  think he is really Concerned what may happen here .
I could not find much on Brian doing a search , using Keywords , but did find one that made me smile ! He signed this petition ! 

 Dereck P. Martin , I think this is the company he works for
BUILDING & EARTH SCIENCES, LLP , is a company categorized under Engineers Geotechnical.
 3485 CAMERON DR Sanford, North Carolina, United States, 27332

April Montgomery , I had an easy time finding info about her ! Love what I read too!
A Renewable Energy promoter !!!
seems her Husband is also David Montgomery, the executive director of Downtown Sanford working with this program ...
Which would you prefer for  a neighbor ?

Okay I have spent hours digging this stuff up and only half way through the names !
So I am going to make this a 2 part report with the others on the next blog .
Hopefully posted tomorrow !
If you have any details for us ,Please let us know ?

Saturday, September 21, 2013

Colorado fracking flood mess

All this great info was brought together by "diamonddeb"
This article from Denver Post, my comments - Bet Gov Hickenlooper "glad" he approved frack wells. Sorry to be sarcastic, but I think God has a sense of humor.  People need to think before they act out of greed and politicians need to stop accepting huge campaign donations from polluters....something to that affect under the name "diamonddeb"
Here's what happened in Colorado, pre-flood.  We used to live out near Boulder and it is sad to see the devastation....but it is a perfect example of what is in store for NC under McCrory, MEC (Womack, Holbrook, Covington, SW Energy consult, Jim Dewbre, in MEC Sanford meeting April 26, 2013,  Jim DEwbre of SW Energy - AOL Search Results), Tillis, Berger, Samuelson, Rucho, et al 
Be sure to read the PreFlood and Post Flood comments in articles below - Media (advertising Americas Natural Gas Alliance, ANGA) totally FAILS TO MENTION CHEMICALS FROM FRACK WELLS!!!!!
Pre-flood when the local governments tried to stop fracking and were overridden by State:

Web Results

·         Gov. Hickenlooper hails fracking disclosure rules as ... - ...

Dec 13, 2011 ... Gov. Hickenlooper hails fracking disclosure rules as national model ... and environmental groups and approved by the nine-member Colorado ...

·         Fort Collins approves fracking ban, defying Hickenlooper's ...

Mar 6, 2013 ... Fort Collins approves fracking ban, defying Hickenlooper's threat ... tone was a shot across the bow at Colorado's popular Democratic governor...

·         Gov. John Hickenlooper Tells Senate Committee He Drank ...

Feb 13, 2013 ... Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper has made no secret of his ... Hickenlooper is not the first person to have claimed to drink fracking fluid.

·         Boulder County Commissioner Elise Jones to debate Gov. John ...

Mar 25, 2013 ... Boulder County Commissioner Elise Jones is set to debate Gov. John Hickenlooper on natural gas hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, on April 1. ... Boulder County commissioners approve initial $2.5 million in flood-related ...

·         Governor Hickenlooper's COGCC Has Failed To Protect Boulder ...

May 1, 2013 ... Boulder, CO – As Governor Hickenlooper prepares to take the stage at ... May 2nd fracking event at the University of Colorado, Boulder, ... 20 approved drilling applications are waiting for the Boulder County moratorium to lift.

·         Grandparents Tell Gov. Hickenlooper Not to Frack Their ... - ...

Sep 10, 2013 ... Concerned grandparents from across Colorado delivered a letter ... Hickenlooper in order to force fracking next to homes and schools in their city. Kaye .... DOE Approves LNG Exports from Dominion Cove Point to Non-FTA ...

·         Tsunami of Public Outrage Against Fracking in ...

Jun 27, 2013 ... In Colorado, city council members are sometimes paid a feeble $5,000 a year, ... right up to the Governor himself, John Hickenlooper, who bragged to ... science professionals, approved the drilling of 16 horizontal wells only ...

·         Hickenlooper, Jones to debate on fracking - Boulder County ...

Mar 28, 2013 ... Gov. John Hickenlooper and Boulder County Commissioner Elise Jones ... voters in November approved Measure 100, which banned fracking ...

·         Hickenlooper: Colorado's frack fluid disclosure rule will be a ...

Dec 13, 2011 ... "This will likely become a model for other states," said Gov. ... "Colorado has the most comprehensive fracking fluid disclosure rule in the county," .... and pesticides that have been approved for use by the EPA and FDA.

·         Gov. Hickenlooper defends stand on drill fracking - ...

May 3, 2013 ... Gov. John Hickenlooper says he is trying to be impartial on issues ... state agency that regulates the industry, approved rules making Colorado ...

·         Web Results Post Flood - Be sure to read "Is there a media blackout?  Yes!  Saw only briefly on MSNBC that water in homes may be polluted from "chemicals" and bacteria.....

o    News for toxic chemicals in Colorado flood waters

Coloradans told to stay out of floodwater following chemical and sewage fears
 - 3 hours ago
As attention turns to the aftermath of Colorado's record floods, ... to stay out of the lingering water because it may contain harmful chemicals and ...

o    Oil and fracking chemicals spill into Colorado's floodwaters | ...

2 days ago ... Oil and fracking chemicals spill into Colorado's floodwaters ... Fracking infrastructure has been inundated and its toxic contents have spilled out.

o    Colorado's Oil and Gas Infrastructure Drowning in ...

2 days ago ... Once the floodwaters recede, state regulators and the energy ... to climate change, then spilled its toxic chemicals into those floodwaters?

o    Fracking and flooding may be toxic combination for Colorado ...

12 hours ago ... Fracking and flooding may be toxic combination for Colorado ... "Once those chemicals hit flood water, they get across a large swath of the ...

o    Is there a media blackout on the fracking flood disaster in ...

3 days ago ... They have to be leaking toxins into the flood waters. There ... Another tank overturned and a fracking chemical warehouse that was flooded.

o    Colorado Floods: Latest Reports Show Toxic Spillage | WebProNews

16 hours ago ... Colorado Floods: Latest Reports Show Toxic Spillage ... join the list of toxic chemicals released by the floods, right next to pesticides and human wastewater. ... businesses and industry, may be contained in the floodwaters

o    Chemicals in Colorado Floodwaters May Pose Threats to People, ...

22 hours ago ... Chemicals in Colorado Floodwaters May Pose Threats to People, Pets ... Oil, gas and fracking chemicals are poisonous to people and animals, ...

o    In flood-struck Colorado, concerns about fracking spills | ...

15 hours ago ... NEW YORK (Reuters) - Contaminated water spilling from flooded oil and ... drilling fluids, saying the flood should dissolve harmful chemicals in ...

o    Colorado flooding may unleash fracking fluids - Sep. 18, 2013

19 hours ago... flood waters in Colorado may sweep fracking fluids and other toxins ... oil or gas wells, but that the chemicals and other toxic fluids associated ...

o    Concerns about flooded oil and gas sites add to ...

18 hours ago ... The Colorado disaster is tragic; lives, homes, and more have been lost. ... Floodwaters can carry a range of dangerous substances, including ...

Sunday, September 15, 2013

NC Fracking Setbacks 500ft from Your Home

 NC state panel recommended Friday that natural gas wells be at least 500 feet from the nearest occupied home, business or school – a distance far greater than allowed in many other states.

North Carolina is TOO Populated and relies on Tourism too much for this !

See Many pictures like this above of drills and fracking pads less than 500 feet from schools ,homes and more here

Colorado proposes bigger oil and gas drilling setbacks from homes
The state's proposal requires wells 1,000 feet or closer to a home to take steps such as using pit-less drilling, steel berms, strict dust and light controls and the capture of gases to reduce odors and emissions.
Wells could not be drilled within 1,000 feet of a school, nursing home or hospital without a hearing before the commission.

check out the picture graph at this article
School Drill: Too Close for Comfort
A new review of active and prospective well data in four northern Colorado counties, researched by Western Resource Advocates, found nearly 200 wells within 2,000 feet of a public school.

Now this is a Trip

 In Oklahoma’s oil and gas country, you can’t build a home near a well. But drilling a well next to a home is perfectly legal.

Saturday, September 14, 2013

Fracking Water and Waste ?

I found this great information and felt I needed to share it too. Here is a link to a partial list of chemicals used in fracking .

Fracking Fluids ...
"While 99 percent of this cocktail is water and sand, other chemicals present include hydrochloric acid, methanol and benzene".

A 1% make-up of chemicals does not sound like a lot but please note, it takes anywhere from 4 to 8 million gallons of fresh water to frack a well. So, 1% of 4 - 8 million = 40,000 - 80,000 gallons (min) of toxic chemicals (many are proven carcinogens) released into the environment with each well. In this Congressional Report, you will see some of the chemicals discovered that are used in the process, and the report states:

"The BTEX compounds – benzene, toluene, xylene, and ethylbenzene – appeared in 60 of the hydraulic fracturing products used between 2005 and 2009. Each BTEX compound is a regulated contaminant under the Safe Drinking Water Act and a hazardous air pollutant under the Clean Air Act. Benzene also is a known human carcinogen. The hydraulic fracturing companies injected 11.4 million gallons of products containing at least one BTEX chemical over the five year period."

The report can be found here:

"Benzie crews spread toxic brine on county roads".
The Traverse City Record-Eagle reports "Benzie crews spread toxic brine on county roads". This past July, oil field brine (byproduct of oil and gas drilling) was sprayed on the roads in Benzie County. The company was only given a slap on the wrist. Story here:

Learn more about Michigan's fight here 
EPA Power Point presentation, which reveals a clear link between Fracking and groundwater contamination, BEFORE supporting the industry in editorials like this one.

Scientific America reports here that a study by Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA states, "In Pennsylvania, the closer you live to a well used to hydraulically fracture underground shale for natural gas, the more likely it is that your drinking water is contaminated with methane."


Thursday, September 12, 2013

Diane reports Sept '13 Compulsory Pooling ?Yep, says MEC

 The photos are taken by me . the highlighting below are certain things that stood out to me in the report . Of course if I highlighted everything that scares me about this it would look like a patch work quilt ? 
The great report below is by Diane Hales !
If you click the pictures they should come up larger for you . this first map they displayed you could not see color on overhead screen ?  not on any they showed had the color show ?
They just handed out a few copies of these , so I got this shot over some one's shoulder . click to make bigger.

Sept 2013: Mining and Energy Commission (Fracking) study reports are being forwarded to the NC Legislature, as required, by October 1. 
The Legislature will consider recommendations and formalize in law, probably in 2014.
1. Compulsory Pooling Study Group recommendations  
(a) Require that 90% of ACREAGE in the “gas drilling unit” must be under voluntary leases before a pooling order can be issued.  NOTE: Maps in the study outlined a “random” 640-acre drilling unit in Lee County’s “high probability” area that includes portions of a large subdivision.  In this example even though the 90% leased acreage is achieved, about 51% of land owners (unleased) would be “forced” into the poolIn Lee County and Town of Sanford more than 80% of land parcels are 5 acres or less...lots of subdivisions, many small land owners.  
(b) Cost share.  Existing 1945 NC law exempts “compelled” owners from paying any production costs (called a free-ride). To increase “attractiveness” of NC to gas industry and encourage land owners to sign leases, the Study Group recommends repealing the “free-ride,” and suggests three options for “compelled” owners:
Option #1—Pay a direct share of production costs as an “interest owner” as costs are incurred (pay as you go), then get full production royalties.
Option #2—Surrender “working interest” so that gas operator pays all production costs: Land owner gets bonus payment and some royalty interest.
Option #3—Assign“risk penalty” where gas operator and other interest owners pay all costs until production stage, but then the “compelled” owner must pay for their share of production, and could incur up to a  200% penalty.  These owners would receive only 1/8 of their share of royalties until their portion of costs are fully recovered by the 7/8 royalty withheld. 
The Study Group recommends that “compelled” owners of less than 10 acres should not be assessed a risk penalty. 
(c) Landowner Protections.  Require gas operator to provide a “fair and reasonable offer” to land owners prior to requesting a pooling order.  
Require gas operator to obtain consent from the surface owner to “disturb and use” the surface, prior to requesting a pooling order.
Require gas operator to provide written notice (30 days before drilling) to every surface owner and mineral owner “forced” into a pool.
Require gas operator to provide written notice (30 days before drilling) to all holders of a mortgage lien on “forced” properties where the lien is recorded in the County Register of Deeds. 
Require gas operator to provide specific and detailed production statements to accompany each royalty payment or working interest share. 
Require automatic dissolution of drilling unit after one year if no production occurs after pooling order is issued.
(d) Give immunity to “compelled” owners from any action arising from the exploration or production activities on the owner’s property, and require operator to defend against any third-party actions brought against the “compelled” owner.
(e)  Recommend that Legislature revisit NC General Statute §1-49 that extinquished ancient claims for mineral rights on January 1986, unless certain conditions were met, including the requirement that each of the 100 counties published notice [may not have happened].  There are legal issues around “dormant” mineral claims and whether this statute can be challenged in court. 
Note:  Several non-voting members of the Study Group did not support Compulsory Pooling of unleased land owners; and one MEC voting member wanted the leased acreage threshold set at 95%.  The Study Group agreed that Compulsory pooling should be limited.  The Mining & Energy Commission (MEC) will set the area of the Drilling Unit based on the gas operator’s permit application.  MEC needs legislative authority to issue a Compulsory Pooling Order and assign the risk penalty percentages.
2.   Local Government Study Group recommendations
In accordance with Legislative directive, local government ordinances cannot “prohibit” this industry.  However, NC League of Municipalities and NC Association of County Commissioners do not want Legislature to erode local controls.
(a) Zoning.  Local government should retain right to apply zoning and land-use authority to oil and gas industry, but only relating to surface use, not subsurface.  Local zoning could implement “special use” permitting (ex. forestry districts, agricultural areas, family farms) and allow shale gas drilling on these same properties as another “special use” permit.   
(b) Setbacks.  Defers authority to State, and Mining and Energy Commission. Recommends giving MEC the legislative authority to grant variances if petitioned by local governments, adjacent property owners, or oil and gas developers. Setbacks refer to the surface area of well pad, well lateral lines, gathering lines and transmission lines.  MEC Chair, Jim Womack, wants setbacks for “health and safety;” other environment considerations not included.
(c) Light, Noise, Odor.  Local governments continue to handle these issues, but they should offer “variances” for time-limited needs.  The gas operator “could” appeal to MEC if local government does not provide a variance.  [Reminder:  Actual fracking is continuous 24-hour operation for 7 to 10 days, extreme high-decibel noise, continuous diesel truck traffic all day/night].  In a municipal Extraterritorial Jurisdiction (ETJ) the county ordinances for nuisance applies, not the town’s.
(d) Water, Wastewater, Air Quality.  Leave under State authority, and procedures. There is a new ambient air monitoring station in Lee County recently added to the State’s network of 60 stations.  It is downstream of the Wake County station and upstream of the existing Montgomery County station. Municipal wastewater collection systems “could” accept fracking wastewater if meet local standards for industrial pretreatment.
(e) Emergency Preparedness.  Establish regional response team [who pays?], trained at Community College and industry-sponsored schools located in other states.
(f) Infrastructure Impacts on Municipal-Owned Roads.  Municipalities should enter into “Excess Maintenance Agreements” with gas developers to ensure that their roads are maintained from considerable impacts of this industry.  Municipalities “could” work with gas developers on permits regarding over-weight industry traffic:  Post weight limits on city-owned roads; placement of infrastructure in municipal rights-of-way; truck routes and timing of truck operations.   [NOTE: Outside of municipal jurisdictions all other roads are maintained by State DOT.  Those “maintenance costs” will be captured in the “Funding and Sources of Revenue Study Group” report to the Legislature.]
(g) Gathering Lines. No entity, including public utilities statues, has jurisdiction.  Need Legislation, but “should” be coordinated with local governments.  [Note: these pipelines are significant and can run for miles, crossing roads, multiple properties, probably streams.]
(h) Taxes and local cost-recoveryDefer to the “Funding and Sources of Revenue Study Group.”  Local government has ad valorem taxation authority.  Additionally, could tax mineral rights when resource is pumped from ground, tax wellpad equipment stored on-site, tax joint surface/mineral rights at time of future property sale.
Diana Hales, retired
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Sunday, September 8, 2013

Jim Womadison oops Womack

Too many North Carolinians are sticking their head in the sand

I am tired of it
This Map shows JUST the people in Lee County the smallest county to be fracked!
How many Split Estates will there be in the other  NC counties ?
10's of 1,000s for Sure .
Every landowner on these estates can be FORCED into the fracking process .
Thanks to the Recommendations of the MEC/FRACKING commission at NC-DENR .
not sure who made this but will gladly add name if I find out .
I made this one , I figure this is the Green that excite$ him.
Here are a few other things I thought I'd share about our NC chairman of MEC and Lee County Commissioner .

His alias blog where it is said He is James Madison there and he does claim the blog ,but will not give us a definite ID ? He had much more there till Billy Ball at the INDYweekly wrote an article on him , I think it was called , "What rhymes with Frack? Jim Womack "

and make sure you read the Commish's profile , He loves Bragging on himself .

 Want more check out this blog or just use " Jim Womack" in the search here . 

Saturday, September 7, 2013

Frack NC Landowners says MEC

NC Landowners , If you have been to a forced pooling meeting you have heard Jim Womack say, How his Commissioner buddy / Partner at ACEI ,from Bradford county PA says, "THEY" are Happy with being a fracking boom county . "

Bradford County has approx Population: 62,917 (2011)

Area: 1,161 sq miles (3,007 km²)

and Approx 728 WELLS now in their county .

LEE CO is the Smallest NC county with an

Area: 259 sq miles (670.8 km²)

We are basicly a 1/4 of their size land & have nearly the same amount of people !
Population: 58,752 (2011)

Lots more info here ...

How many wells do You want here ?